007 - discernment with colette chase imageColette Chase is back and this time talking about discernment. How do we sift through what’s real, what’s not real, what to pay attention to, what not to pay attention to?


  1. Listener mail [1:30]
  2. What is discernment? [4:30]
  3. How a message can be delivered [11:30]
  4. How to ask a question [20:47]
  5. Who are you getting the message from? [31:46]
  6. Talking to your Higher Self for answers [43:33]
  7. Direct connection to divinity [46:55]

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FIKA PODCAST EPISODE 007: Discernment with Colette Chase

Erica Eriksdotter: Hi lovelies!  It’s time for FIKA!  The Swedish word that means bonding and connecting with friends over coffee or tea. This is the place to be for real talks and discussions about everything from healing, fine arts, motherhood, entrepreneurship to health and fitness. The focus is connecting the dots through consciousness and elevating how consciousness is directed through each guest’s career and life path. My name is Erica Eriksdotter, born and raised in Sweden and have lived in Washington, DC since 2000. I’m a fine arts painter and owner of Studio Eriksdotter, certified Intra-Dimensional Healer and PR and Social Media Strategist. I’m a modern woman, connected to Self who brings meaning to life through an earth centered truth.

Erica Eriksdotter: Today’s guest is Colette Chase, who’ve been a regular on this podcast already.  If you haven’t yet listened to episode 1 and 4 where we talk about time travelling, dimensions and even do an exercise that might help you stay in the now, I highly recommend them. If you are new to the podcast, welcome!  We have listeners from all over the world and I’m excited you are tuning in and finding value in these topics.  Colette is a multi-faceted global healer.  Over more than a decade she has developed and implemented life programs that empower individuals like you and me to achieve their personal and global goals. Hi Colette!

Colette Chase: Hi!

Erica Eriksdotter: So actually…

Colette Chase: Hello fika!

  1. Listener mail [1:30]

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing] So, actually before we dive into today’s topic, um, I received a really wonderful email from a listener that I wanted to share with you.

Colette Chase: Okay.

Erica Eriksdotter: So, Robert from Sweden writes, “You and Colette’s discussions during episode 1 and 4 gave me new ways to look at things that happen in life.  It was very educational.  My wife and I traveled a lot through China, Tibet, Mongolia, etcetera and I have read a lot about Buddhism and Eastern Medicine, meditation, etcetera.  What you talked about Liaren’t exactly the same thing, but it has similar, several similarities – being in the now, looking inward for the solution, not outwards etcetera.  These teachings are centuries old and I think it’s important to take it seriously even if at first glance it’s vastly different from our usual Western way of thinking.”  He also mentions that he really appreciated the exercise and he knows he will use it many, many times.  So, I wanted to share that with you and our listeners. So, Colette do you have a comment on that?  I’m like spurring this on you.

Colette Chase: Yes, can we hire you for more reviews because that was awesome [laughing]

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing] Yeah.

Colette Chase: No, that was really thought out well and I love the connection that he has between, his cache of knowledge and how he applied that to his own cache and how he made it work for him.  And, that’s kind of like the topic we’re going to discuss today which is discernment.

Erica Eriksdotter: Yes.

Colette Chase: So, it’s not, when you hear what he’s saying, he’s saying, ‘Hey look, I’ve heard this before, so, already I know that there could be some truth in it because I’d heard several truths before and I’m going to weigh it in on what I already know and what feels right to me.’ So, I really like this one that you picked out because it’s so in line with what we’re going to talk about is discernment. Especially now when we live in a world where everybody believes, not everybody that’s an overgeneralization, but most people believe that what’s on the internet is true.  At least, my students do.

Erica Eriksdotter: Yeah.

Colette Chase: And, there’s no discernment and there’s no privacy and everything just gets put out there.  And, it’s as if we just have this overload of information and nowhere to put it.  And, we don’t know how to sift through what’s real, what’s not real, what to pay attention to, what not to pay attention to. And, it’s really overwhelming for me.  So, if it’s overwhelming for me, I’m sure it’s overwhelming for other people.

Erica Eriksdotter: Yes, so thank you Robert for your email.  If you want to write to us, you can do so by clicking the link in the show notes or leave a comment on the blog post that corresponds to this episode on StudioEriksdotter.com or on social media via fikapodcast, the hashtag #fikapodcast. So, yes Colette let’s kick it off, discernment.  What is discernment?

  1. What is discernment? [4:30]

Colette Chase: Well, [laughing] What is discernment?  Discernment is what you…see, to me dimensionally, multi-dimensionally discernment is an alignment.  It’s an alignment of yourself in which you can discern your environment and figure out what part belongs to reality, what part belongs to actuality, what part is none of your business, what part do you mind and put your attention to.  It’s how you are poised in your environment, whatever environment that is.  And, discernment allows you to say, “This is how I’m reacting with my environment.  This is how I’m negotiating with my environment and I’m gleaning the highest truth I can from that environment so I can make the best decisions.”  So, to me that is what discernment means.

Erica Eriksdotter: It’s kind of like going through your garden and taking out the weeds and knowing what is a weed and what is an actual flower that is going to blossom, you know.

Colette Chase: Well, the garden is a perfect example because there’s so much to discern about a garden, so a garden is actually a great example because that’s how life is.  There’s weeds to tend to, there’s um, what to plant, when.  So, there’s a timing issue.  There is um, how is the old stock doing?  Do I need to thin it out, do I need to add it, do I need to change something new?  Do I need to; you know plant a tree here instead? Do I need to plant a bush here instead?  How do I fertilize this?  What kind of fertilizer?  What kind of bugs are in my environment?  Am I treating my environment well?  I mean my gosh, that is just such a great analogy because that’s how life is.  It comes at you all at once. You know, a garden is all at once, happening all at once.  It’s this huge ecosystem and that’s how your life is.  So, discernment allows you to do two things.  It allows you to zoom in with a camera lens and you zoom into one little thing and you get really clear on that.  And, then it also allows you to zoom out and get this panoramic view of your big picture, your big life and in between.  So, discernment happens on a lot of different levels.  Um, I kind of want to talk about the process that you and I were going through about this podcast.

Erica Eriksdotter: Yeah.

Colette Chase: You and I are huge planners.

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing] Understatement of the day.

Colette Chase: I say that as a positive.

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing]

Colette Chase: Um, and we’re huge planners and we like to know what’s coming up and we like to know what’s going on and we like to have plans A-F just as a general if it goes down to M or P or Q we’re even happier.  And, this time, you know, I’m spirit led and spirit wasn’t saying anything about what was going to happen, what we’re going to talk about it, what was going on.  It was making both of us nervous.

Erica Eriksdotter: Yeah, that was like three weeks ago, I was like Colette, uhhh, I need a topic here, what should we talk about?

Colette Chase: Make me an outline.  You know what, a lot of times that happens when you’re talking to spirit. You know, we always think that if we ask a spirit something, we deserve or we’re entitled or we should get the answer right away.

Erica Eriksdotter: Yeah.

Colette Chase: And, when we don’t get it, when we’re not patient, when we want to control everything, then we make up the answer and we say well, spirit said.

Erica Eriksdotter: Hmmm.

Colette Chase: When spirit didn’t say.

Erica Eriksdotter: Yes.

Colette Chase: Spirit was waiting on the timing, spirit was waiting for you to listen, spirit was waiting for the moment to be right and you rushed ahead and you filled in the blanks and a lot of people, I can’t tell you how many of my students do this…

Erica Eriksdotter: Yeah.

Colette Chase: Where they say, I want to know everything, I want to see everything, I want to feel everything.  You know?  Uh, guide me so I can do all this.  And, then they start getting all this information and then they don’t wait.  They don’t wait for it to blossom.  They don’t wait for it to, you know, manifest fully.  They don’t walk around the bush, you know.  It’s like they see the front of the bush, I go, look there’s a bush and it’s got some roses on it and isn’t that pretty?  And, they say, ‘Oh, yeah, you know, that’s great.’ And, so I’m going to live my life about what I see at this front of this bush but they don’t walk around the whole bush.

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing]

Colette Chase: They don’t walk around it.  So, they have like this one little vision, this one little facet of their life and then they’re going to make all these big decisions based on this tiny little thing they’re seeing.  And, most people make decisions based on this tiny little view, thinking they have the big picture and they don’t.  So, that’s kind of, I kind of wanted to start with that. I wanted to start with waiting on God.  Waiting on Spirit.  Waiting.  And, my gosh, in today’s society we don’t like that.  We want fast internet, fast food, fast speed dating, fast, fast, fast.  You know what I mean?

Erica Eriksdotter: Yep.

Colette Chase: And, we want it now, we want it yesterday and we do all this stuff and my god, that whole um, that whole thing about, um, gardening is perfect because you can’t just plant a garden and it’s mature.

Erica Eriksdotter: Yeah.

Colette Chase: You have to wait.

Erica Eriksdotter: It takes years and years.  Sometimes generations.

Colette Chase: Sometimes generations.  Sometimes you’re not even going to see the end result.  And, you know sometimes that’s your life too.  You’re not even going to see the end result of that smile that you gave someone in the grocery store.

Erica Eriksdotter: Mmm.

Colette Chase: Um, you’re not even going to see that end result and you think it’s this small thing.  You don’t know.  You don’t know what that smile caused. So, when your listening to spirit, when your listening for the answer from the universe, when you’ve asked the question. When you’ve actually asked a nice question not a willful question.  A lot of people will ask, ‘Will I do this?’ and ‘Will I do that?’ ‘Will this come to me?’ and ‘Will I get married?’ and ‘Will I get that promotion?’ and will I, will I, will I.  The spirits never going to answer you on those.  Because, we have free will here.  So, a spirit’s answer to you on that is going to be, I don’t know, will you?

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing]

Colette Chase: Because, you are using your will to create what your reality is. So, don’t ask those kind of questions, you know?  What you do is, you make a decree to spirit, you know don’t say, ‘I want’, or ‘I wish’, or ‘I do’ that kind of stuff. You say, ‘Hey, I’m creating a new home for myself and I’m creating that it manifests at this time, what do you think spirit?’  And, then you wait. Right?

Erica Eriksdotter: Mmm Hmm.

Colette Chase: You wait.  Because you might get the answer, yes, that is possible.  That is in the realm of possibility for that to happen.  You will get a resounding yes, because the universe always tells you yes, if that’s what you want to create by the way.

  1. How a message can be delivered [11:30]

Erica Eriksdotter: So, if we’re so used to just going to Google and typing in our question and getting our result right there…

Colette Chase: Right.

Erica Eriksdotter: So, when your spirit led and you ask a question and you have to have that patience because the answer won’t come the same way as Google provides it, right? So, how, can you give us some examples of how that answer may be delivered? And, of course, that’s different for everyone, but just so people have a little bit of an idea of, ‘Oh! that’s…’

Colette Chase: Yeah, I want to talk about two things and if you can keep me on point here.

Erica Eriksdotter: Yep.

Colette Chase: I want to talk about how the messages could be delivered which is a great point.  And, who’s delivering it.

Erica Eriksdotter: Oh great!

Colette Chase: Ok.

Erica Eriksdotter: Yes, Excellent.

Colette Chase: So, those are the two things I want to talk about. So, how is the message delivered?  Well, spirit doesn’t have a body. Not an earthly body. Okay?  You have the earthly body with the nervous system, the flesh, the organs, all that kind of stuff.  So, in order for spirit to communicate with you, they have to come way down to this density, which is horrible by the way.  But, all earthlings know how horrible it is here as far as density goes.  And, we are looked upon in spirit as like super heroes, by the way, to be here.  So, pat yourself on the back, you’re an earthling.  You’re a bad ass. Okay?  And, spirit has to come down into this density in order to communicate with you.  So, hey, do them a favor and rise up to meet them.  Don’t be lazy, don’t be, get yourself aware that this frequency that your living in is really dense and you must rise your frequency up.  And you do that by choosing.  You do that by choice. You do that by intention.  You do that by will and you say, ‘Okay, I’m going to meet my spirit guides halfway and I’m going to raise my frequency up’.  You know, you’re going to make sure your hydrated, your fed, you got some sleep, you’re in your body, you’re in present time, your grounded source, your sphere, you know, what we talked about earlier. And then you’re going to rise up and you’re going to meet spirit halfway and spirit is going to use your body to communicate with you. Because you are the one with the body. So, if you’re an auditory person, I ask you if spirit is talking to you, what is their voice going to sound like?  Who is it going to sound like?  It’s going to sound like you because it’s going through your nervous system.  So, it’s going to sound like that voice in your head.  So, all this time where you had this little voice in your head that has a different cadence than you, that speaks very formally, that is very kind and patient, you know.  Could be a spirit guide talking to you.  Uh, if you have, if you are an impasse, and you get certain sensations when you’re asking a yes or a no question and you determine that this sensation means yes and this sensation means no or if you haven’t done that already, you might want to assign that to what a yes and a no is in your body. Like, for me, I get this flush of energy that runs of the right side of my body for a yes. And, then I get the exact reverse on the left, this energy flushes up from my feet into my fingertips on my left side of the body, so that’s a no.  So, I’ve got the yes and the no going.  Um, and I actually asked my body, what is a yes, what is no.  And, my body did these things.  So, I automatically said, ‘Okay, my body knows, so my body told me and I’m going to officially assign that to be a yes and a no if I ask yes / no questions.’  The other thing you can do is, you can stand up and have your feet kind of shoulder width apart and you kind of get centered and you ask your body to tilt, to lean to go in the direction of what a yes is.  In my body happens to fall forward for a yes.  And, then when I ask my body to give me a no, my body actually starts to tip backwards for a no.  So, this is a way that you can channel spirit through your body and get answers.  Sometimes going through your body is much easier than going through your mind because your body won’t lie to you. Your mind has all this trickery and all this stuff that it does and it says this isn’t real, this is too simple or you know, I don’t believe in this or whatever it is.  It has all kinds of opinions and your body doesn’t.  Your body is this beautiful animal that relates to its environment and it’s good, it’s kosher with everything and so on and so forth.  You know, if you are a visual person, you’re going to have different cues.  Um, you know, I see spirits so I can see them nodding, I can see them giving me a thumb up, I can see them give me a thumb down if I need direction.  So, you can have this kind of intimate relationship with spirit and you can learn to discern what it is that they’re trying to tell you.  And, you have to understand that it’s better for you to make a statement and have spirit confirm or deny it based on what you want to create then say, ‘I don’t want the responsibility of creating.  I want you to tell me what to do.’  As soon as you do that, as soon you give away your responsibility and say, ‘I’m lost here, I don’t know what to do.  You tell me what to do.  I don’t want to have any more responsibility.’  You will hear nothing from spirit.

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing] crickets

Colette Chase: Crickets and cobwebs, that’s what you’re going to hear.

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing]

Colette Chase: Ok, because again, you have free will and you do have responsibility.  If you get in that point, then you need to ask for something different. Instead of guidance in that point, you need to ask for comfort.

Erica Eriksdotter: Mmm.

Colette Chase: You need to ask for companionship.  You need to ask for connection.  You need to ask for what it is that your needs are being presented why you feel so lost.  You needed to feel that you belong.  You need to take care of that first before you ask for any place your going or doing.  Um, you know, so and Erica, you’ve been through these classes before where you know, you’re learning how to navigate your world through psychic development so you know how this works.  And, there are classes out there.  People teach all kinds of classes on psychic development.  And, I recommend them if you find somebody good, definitely go.  They’re not going to teach you how to be psychic because you already are.  But, a good teacher is going to get rid of the obstacles that keep telling you that you’re not.  So, that’s kind of the class you want to look for.  The other thing you want to look for Erica, is when spirit is using your environment to tell you what’s going on.  So, I’m sure you had all kinds of experiences like this like where you’re having this thought and maybe you hadn’t even asked the universe this.  Maybe you are just kind of trying to formulate this idea, but you definitely want to create this thing.  You have these things going on and then all of a sudden you get in your car and you turn on the radio and the perfect song is on.

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing]

Colette Chase: And, the song is answering every single question that you have in your head. Well, you know, that’s a way that ah the universe can channel information to you.  Or, if you turn on the TV at just the right time, or if you open the book at the right moment. Or, they can use people.  People can come up into your life and go, ‘Hey, let me tell you about something about what’s going on in my life.’  And, they tell a little something, something and your like, ‘Oh my god, that’s the answer to my question.’  So, you get information all the time. All the time.

Erica Eriksdotter: Or nature.  That’s a big one for me.

Colette Chase: Nature, all the time.  Um, it’s whether you are willing to wait for the answers.  Whether you are willing to be still for the answer and maybe there’s more than one answer.  So, you need to get to a place where you’re willing to hear more than what you think the answer should be.  Because, a lot of times people ask stuff that they already know and they just want to have a pat on the head or a pat on the back and go, ‘Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, you’re doing good.  Go ahead and create that.’  And, I understand that, okay? And, at some point you have to say, ‘I’m in charge.’ Okay? And, I’m in charge with universe.  I am a co-creator.  I’m a co-creator. Okay.  So, at some point you have to risk making a mistake.

  1. How to ask a question [20:47]

Erica Eriksdotter: It is pretty fascinating when you do ask a question and um, do you want to go into, how, like an example of a phrase?  But, what I was going to say, was is pretty amazing when you do ask a statement question and the answer you get back is just completely something you wouldn’t even dream to make up.  Like, it’s just so foreign to you and you’re like, Holy Heck, this is totally working.  I would never have come up with that answer myself and I know that this is totally not me.

Colette Chase: Oh, Oh yeah! So, I ask the question.  I ask, ‘Hey, Spirit, The Universe. What will make me a better wife, better healer, better friend, better’…and you know, I was living in San Antonio at the time, it was back in early 2000. And, you know what my answer was?

Erica Eriksdotter: Yep.

Colette Chase: Move!

Erica Eriksdotter: Oh, really!

Colette Chase: Yeah, move.  I’m like, move?  And, that’s all I got.  I didn’t get move here, move there.  I was like, well, move where?  Move across town?  Uh, you know. And, just move.  Move is all I got. And, then I had to sit with it because I really didn’t want to hear that.  All my friends were here, all my family was here, you know.  That meant me going risking moving somewhere and starting something from nothing because I’m self-employed.  That was a huge risk what they were telling me to do. I don’t want to hear it. So, you know, I had to sit with that one for a while.  And, then when I was ready, to go what does that mean?  What does move mean?  Then, I started getting more information.

Erica Eriksdotter: Yeah, because it can be implied. Now I know what that means for you because you actually moved cross country, right?

Colette Chase: Mmm, hmm.  I did.

Erica Eriksdotter: It could have meant, move your body.  It could have meant a lot of things. But, you’re going to have to…

Colette Chase: Oh, I tried that out.  Yeah, okay, they need me to exercise more, I’ll exercise more.  I tried that, I so wanted it to be that.

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing]

Colette Chase: I so did.  Oh, look I’m exercising and they’re shaking their head.  Nope, that’s not what we mean.

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing] I remember when our cat came.  A stray cat came to our patio and that was Lola many, many years ago, actually, seven years go.  I never owned a cat before, never really paid too much attention to cats. Casey was allergic to cats. But, I really liked this cat and I heard her name in my head and I was like, ‘Oh, her name is Lola.’ And, she would lay in my lap on the patio, which is unlike me to have, you know, animals who I don’t know to just lay in my lap.  She would lay in my lap for hours in the afternoons, while I was reading a book in the summertime.  And, I would ask that question.  You know, to get me information about what I should do with this cat and all I got was, ‘Patience.’  Which is like the worst thing to get for me.

Colette Chase: [laughing] Who wants to hear that?  I hate that answer.

Erica Eriksdotter: But, low and behold, I told Casey to okay, let’s at least foster the cat.  There was a lot thunderstorms going on so I was like, let’s just take care of and keep the cat safe.  Two months later, I had promised Casey that I was going to put posters up everywhere, but it seemed like Casey was not really reacting to this cat.  Like, being allergic to this cat and so, I just kept her.

Colette Chase: Yeah.  Because, what happens is you have all these excuses. You get an answer, right? From the spirit.  And, then you have all these excuses why it’s a no.  And, we think that the universe is telling us no, but really it’s us.  We say, I want this thing.  I want a man.  I want a woman.  I want a job.  I want a cat.  I want a whatever it is.  I want a new car.  And, I’m going to create this thing and then as soon as it starts coming to us, we go WHOA, WHOA, WHOA.  Uh, NO! Because that man is going to be putting posters on the wall that I don’t like.  That woman, like, wants me to spend time with her and stuff.  That cat, I’ve got to scoop the litter box now and I don’t know if I want to…and we do this stuff.  And, sometimes we are aware we’re doing it and sometimes we’re not and so the universe provides and we’re like, ‘Oh, no. Yeah, no changed my mind.’ Then we go, ‘Oh, I don’t’ and then we suffer, ‘Oh my gosh, I didn’t get what I wanted.’ And, I asked for it.

Erica Eriksdotter: Yeah.

Colette Chase: But, I forgot that I said no.  And, that happens a lot!

Erica Eriksdotter: Yeah, and then if you say no to it, then of course it’s going to stop coming to you.

Colette Chase: Well, sure.  The universe is a yes universe.  So, if you say no, the universe goes, okay, no.

Erica Eriksdotter: Yeah.

Colette Chase: So, that brings me to the point of who you’re talking to.

Erica Eriksdotter: Well, actually, Colette, if I may? Sorry spirit if I may just interject.  So, the message.  When you’re asking these questions can you give an example because, you know, for me, I can ask these questions several times a day.  It’s not just life decisions like having a cat, new house, new car, etcetera.  So, for you, how often do you ask these questions?  For me, I can be at work and you know, I can send an email and is it in my highest good to send off this email. Is it done?  Do I have enough information in it? How do you use the question?

Colette Chase: Alright, you’ve got to be careful with highest good? A lot of people bandy about this term, for my highest good, for her highest good.  Um, you know, when you attach that to a question or a statement or something that you’re creating know that your highest good is for your soul’s development.  And, I’m sorry, but everything we do is not for our soul’s development.  I like James Bond movies.  I will so go to James Bond movies, especially with Mr. Daniel Craig, thank you very much! Giving you a kiss long distance.

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing]

Colette Chase: I love this guy, okay.  Is my soul developing when I go watch that movie?  No.  I’m being entertained.  I’m being fed.  I’m being emotionally, my mental body is being fed. My emotional body is being fed.  Hopefully, my physical body is being fed, because I have a big tub of popcorn there.

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing]

Colette Chase: But, so, if I’m asking well, should I go to this movie because it’s in my highest good, I get a no and then I don’t go.  What an idiot am I?

Erica Eriksdotter: So, how would you phrase the question instead?

Colette Chase: Oh, something as benign as a movie?

Erica Eriksdotter: Mmm, hmm.

Colette Chase: I’d say, ‘What’s my likability on a scale from 1 – 10 this movie?  A ten being, I’m going to really like this, it’s going to be so worth the money I spent on it and the big tub of popcorn and my 2 hours of my time.  One, being, ‘What happened?  I’m leaving.  I’m out of here.  This was the worst decision ever.’  And, then I will get that number.  I will either see the number, I just know the number, I feel the number.  I mean, however it is that you do it. And, if it’s above a six, you know, six is a D, 60%.  70 is a C, 80’s a B, 90’s an A, you get it.  You know, because you’ve been to Western Schools.  Then, I get the score.  If it’s a six or higher, you know, I consider it.  It’s an 8, 9, 10, I’m there.

Erica Eriksdotter: And, you do the same thing…

Colette Chase: A book I want to read. If I’m going to buy a book on that dot com place that has a lot of books, that I’m not going to mention.

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing]

Colette Chase: You know.  I don’t want to like, I don’t even care if it’s like 99 cents, I want to know if I’m going to like it. Yeah.  So, I have a likability scale I use a lot.

Erica Eriksdotter: And, you use this to discern what…

Colette Chase: How much I am going to like it.

Erica Eriksdotter: Yeah.

Colette Chase: What my commitment level is.

Erica Eriksdotter: So…

Colette Chase: So, if I just taking the scales. If I just use the scales as a form of discernment, which I use all the time by the way.  This is like my go-to thing.  And, I can use it just for just about anything, but I label what the scale is.  So, that was my example of my likability scale.  Likability scale, 1-10, this what these numbers mean. It’s about likability, for me, I’m defining it, what I like, not what everybody else likes, but me.  Okay, and I am setting my intention and then the numbers I get are about me.  Right? It’s not about if, I’m going to the move with you, Erica, and I need to see if you like it, I need to check your likability scale.  Because, we’re going to get two different numbers, okay.

Erica Eriksdotter: Okay, wait wait hold on! So, clearly you’re my healer, your allowed to do this.  If I’m just going with my friend, I don’t know if it’s…

Colette Chase: Okay, uh, all of my friends have agreed that we’re going to go to a movie.

Erica Eriksdotter: Uh-huh.

Colette Chase: All of us are in the discerning process because all of us have said, Well, which movie do you want to go see? Right?

Erica Eriksdotter: Uh-Huh

Colette Chase: Everybody does this. Well, then, if I’m going to be conscious, I’m going to look at the group, not just me.  I mean, I can give my opinion. Oh, let me tell you which ones I’m going to like and I can tell them which ones I’m going to like.  But, if I look at the group and say, ‘I would like to see the group consciousness scale of likability, all of us together.’  I want to see that scale.  How would we all react in a group to this particular movie? A seven, ‘Hey, let’s go see that!’ and I’ll put my 2 cents in.  So, you know, that’s a really good question because if you are in a group environment, a lot of people want to say what’s in it for me, but they don’t check the group consciousness.

Erica Eriksdotter: Mmm, Hmm.

Colette Chase: What’s best for the group. And, when you’re in an individualized, when individualism is prized, like in America…

Erica Eriksdotter: Yep.

Colette Chase: And collectivism is frowned upon, that hurts you psychically.  Because, you’re always checking against what you like, what you prefer, what’s best for you. And, you get trained out of saying, ‘I am part of a community. I am part of a group. I belong to not just me, but to everyone, and how will everyone feel about that?’ And, when you become a better psychic, you have better discernment, you check more about the group, less about yourself.

Erica Eriksdotter: Mmm, interesting.

Colette Chase: Mmm, Hmm.

  1. Who are you getting the message from? [31:46]

Erica Eriksdotter: Okay, so who is delivering the message?

Colette Chase: Right, who you getting this message from?

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing] Ba Ba Ba Bum

Colette Chase: All the time, oh, I’m, you know, my inner guidance told me blah, blah, blah and I’m looking at who their talking to and it’s an inner kid.  Yeah, it’s inner guidance, but their five years old.  You’re making a decision based on your five-year-old self.  That’s not going to have the outcome you wish.

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing]

Colette Chase: [laughing] Who are you talking about?  How big do you think you are inside there?  You just think you have this one life, your this certain age right now, you think that all those thoughts in there only belong to you.  You crazy.

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing]

Colette Chase: You crazy.

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing]

Colette Chase: You’ve got a lot to learn if you just think that’s all that’s in there.

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing] That’s hilarious.

Colette Chase: First of all, you have from conception, just this conception to all the years that you were here up until whatever age you are now.  They’re all in there still.  They’re all in there with opinions about how you should be running your life.  And, if you don’t have the discernment and the discipline to keep your inner kids in your heart where their safe, okay?  And, you don’t have the discipline to put your twenty-year olds in the back of the bus and you’re driving the bus, not them.  Because, what you thought the world would be at twenty is different than what you thought it is now if you’re in your forties, like me.

Erica Eriksdotter: Yeah.

Colette Chase: And, you have to be able to say, you know, to discern your inner world and say, ‘Who am I giving all my power to?  Who is running the show inside me?  Is it really present day me?’ Or, maybe not. Okay.  One of the ways you can certainly tell right away is if you get overly sensitive about stuff.  If you take things personally a lot. If you judge. If you are out of present time.  If you all of a sudden you are confused and you don’t know what to do in a situation, not every time, because we don’t know everything, but you know that type of confusion that paralyzes you?

Erica Eriksdotter: Mmm, hmm.

Colette Chase: With fear? 9 times out of 10 that’s going to be because your inner kid is up there. Like, at your 10-year-old, your 12-year-old, whatever.  The part of you that survived. Right?  It’s all out in front of you, trying to handle this adult situation and it doesn’t know what to do.  It’s 10! 10 years old! And, you’re having all these 10-year-old emotions and your thinking it’s all about what’s going on with you now.

Erica Eriksdotter: And that is extremely unfair for a child to make adult decisions, right?

Colette Chase: Yeah.  It’s unfair to yourself, you know.  I was in this class one time where this grown woman would always sit on the floor, always lay out and on her stomach and write in her little journal.  Always interrupt the teaching by saying something about her personally that may or may not have relevance to what was going on. It was like watching a child in an adult body.  It was weird, okay?  So, here’s this, you’re looking at an adult but you know that the adult’s not there.  You know it’s some little kid. Even her, like, mannerisms were childish. And, something happened in the class where she got confronted on that.  She needed to do something about that and that we would all love to have her adult present.  And, then you know what she did?  She flew out of the room and went to the instructor and started tattling.

Erica Eriksdotter: Oh, no.

Colette Chase: How unfair it was.  I am using like an extreme example.

Erica Eriksdotter: Yea.

Colette Chase: Yeah, that right there I was like, ‘Wow, you know.  Her adult was completely checked out.’ A lot of people do this.  A lot of people will have an adult body but their emotional body is so immature. And their adult never shows up emotionally.

Erica Eriksdotter: Mmm, hmm.

Colette Chase: And, that is part of your discernment.  That is part of your responsibility to grow that part of you up.  So, if you’re listening to this and you’re recognizing this in yourself and trust me, it even happens to me in certain situations.  If I have certain things that I’m going through that I haven’t taken care of yet, you can better believe that my inner kid has an opinion about it. And, as soon as I can discern that I’m having these feelings and that I’m having these situations where I feel like I’m a small, out of control, don’t know what to do.  The first thing I do is I turn to myself and I say, ‘Wait, wait, wait!  Who in there is doing what?  How old are you? And, what can I do for you? Because, you are in the wrong place and you are suffering and I need to take care of you and high five for the effort. I love you, but I’m the adult, I need to take care of this.  Let me take care of you.  As soon as I take care of you, I can look at this situation as an adult.’ So, the first step in discernment is who in you is in charge of you?  And, how old are you emotionally? And if you find yourself younger emotionally than you are chronologically, biologically, grow it up.  Check on yourself every day. Get that kid in the right place.  Have the adult come forward.  Introduce yourself to your inner adult.  Maybe you don’t even know what they look like or what they feel like. You probably won’t even know what your adult needs are because you have been trying to fill these inner kid’s needs.

Erica Eriksdotter: Mmm, hmm.

Colette Chase: Okay?  I can’t tell you how many people are looking for a mate and they have their teenagers picking their mates.

Erica Eriksdotter: Mmm, hmm.

Colette Chase: And, they wonder why this man is no good and he’s got no job and he’s like a little boy.  I’m saying, well, who picked him?

Erica Eriksdotter: Yeah.

Colette Chase: The woman picked him or your teenager picked him? Because that looks like a perfect teenager choice but not an adult woman choice, you know? So, that’s the first step in discernment for me is, get your adult on board when you’re talking to you, your inner self. The other thing is, is when your body never lies to you, okay? So, a lot of times on smaller things, like, what I want to eat, what’s good for me at the store, uh, you know.  Before I get out of bed each morning, I ask my body if it is ready to get up.  I don’t just listen to my mind, which is totally racing.  My mind is like, let’s go, we got this stuff to do, we got a list, we gotta get it done. Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, okay?  And, my body is like, could you give me five?

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing]

Colette Chase: I need five. You know, my blood isn’t even circulating, you haven’t even stretched me out yet. You know what I’m saying.

Erica Eriksdotter: Mmm, Hmm.

Colette Chase: I’m still lethargic from 8 hours of trying to get some sleep here.  And, so, if you want to get out of your spinning mind and be led only by your mind, which is a mistake, then listen to what your body wants.  I remember I was on auto-pilot for years.  I worked and worked and worked.  I was a workaholic.  I forgot what it was to play, I forgot what it was to have simple pleasures.  I forgot what it was to feed myself and nurture myself and have that sensuality through food.  It was like, every morning, toast and coffee.  One morning, I got up and I decided was going to ask my body what it wanted and it said, ‘Can we have some orange juice?’.  And, I said, ‘I don’t like orange juice’ and my body said, ‘Yes, we like orange juice.’ So, it was like this weird discussion between my mind, who has no feelings, your mental body has no feelings, it just has opinions and thoughts and thinking. So, I tasted that orange juice, you know that was the best orange juice I have ever had in my entire life is that one sip of orange juice because I listened to what my body needed.  And, from then on, I would ask, I’d get up in the morning, ‘Orange juice?  No, we can have coffee.’ So, just making that little jump from listening to your physicalness, listening to your body and telling your mind to so sit over here for a bit.  That’s a huge jump for people.  We’re laughing that it’s a small little thing, but that’s a huge jump for people to do because their mind is a bully that wants to run the show. You know?  And, I start off with people when I’m doing my sessions with people, I start off with them listening to their body, because if I tell them to start following their heart…

Erica Eriksdotter: Mmm, hmm.

Colette Chase: Oh, you wouldn’t believe the heart, mind stuff that goes on then.

Erica Eriksdotter: What do you mean?

Colette Chase: The battle that ensues. We live in an environment, right? that says the feminine is wrong and the subconscious is wrong and psychic is wrong and all this stuff that we equate with the feminine energy. And, we live in a place that says, ‘The logic is right.’ The point A to B is right. Yes?

Erica Eriksdotter: Mmm, hmm.

Colette Chase: Okay, so the mind is right, the heart is emotional and wrong. Right? In order to put each other down, we call each other women.

Erica Eriksdotter: Yeah.

Colette Chase: Of course, we use the derogatory women parts to call each other stuff, okay?  So, even in our language, we say, ‘Oh, you’re feminine and wrong’, to put each other down.  So, if you want to make that leap from the head to the heart, that 18 inches, that is a long journey for you, if you worship logic. And, you worship what society is telling you is right. That is a long journey for most people. And, so, when you start leading with your heart and your heart starts having a voice, let me tell you, your world changes. And, the two of them, need to be in accord, the two of them need to be developed fully together, not one over the other, not this battle thing. It’s like the yin and the yang. They’re in synchronicity together, right? The black doesn’t dominate the white, the white doesn’t dominate the black, right?  They’re these cute little swooshes that make a little circle.

  1. Talking to your Higher Self for answers [43:33]

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing] So, we have a few more minutes Colette.  You mentioned that checking who in you is the one [giving you the messages], as number one.  Do you have a summary of that?

Colette Chase: Yeah. When I first start people listening to their environment.  I don’t care what that is.  I’m saying I’m Spirit led so I’ll just say right to you straight to your face, I talk to God.  I talk to God and the many faces of the god.  I developed myself enough and I’ve developed my ego enough where I can say that I don’t care what people think.  Believe me, don’t believe me, I don’t really care.  Because, I’ve developed my reality and my reality is real for me.  So, that’s my reality.  It doesn’t have to be your reality.  So, the thing is, is you have to determine who in you, okay is going to, you’re going to glean the truth from.  I’m telling you, your body will tell you the truth, where your mind kind of maybe not so much. So, you can ask your body on a scale from 1 – 10, how am I going to like this movie.  Your body will give you a number because it’s all energy. It’s not logical. Don’t go into that logic space because this is illogical.  It doesn’t mean that it’s not correct.  The other thing in you is you can talk to your Higher Self. The Higher Self exists in you that is untouched by these, I hate to say low-level, untouched by these events in life that don’t have high frequencies. Right?

Erica Eriksdotter: Mmm, hmm.

Colette Chase: Like, um, like, stuff that just makes you want to pull your hair out.  Like, for me, reality television. Okay.  That is so low level to me, I can’t.  It’s so low level and there’s no redeeming quality about it.  There’s so many parts about it that’s so low level.  Um, I shouldn’t say no redeeming quality.  I guess people are being entertained.  There you go.  Corrected myself.

Erica Eriksdotter: Mmmmmmm, yeah, but they are entertained by drama, so let, like you said.

Colette Chase: It’s just my opinion, okay.

Erica Eriksdotter: Yeah, Yeah.

Colette Chase: But for me, in my reality, when I say how much am I going to get out of this programming.  If I ask my higher self, ‘Higher self, when I watch this, does this elevate me?  Does this improve me? Does this get me closer to oneness or does it separate me?’ I ask the important questions of my higher self. Is this worth my time? Or, am I, I hate to be vulgar, but am I pissing it away?

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing]

Colette Chase: You know? So, you know, these are the questions you ask of the higher self-part of you.  If you don’t know who your higher self is or you haven’t introduced yourself to your higher self, then I suggest you get to know your higher self.

Erica Eriksdotter: Alright.

  1. Direct connection to divinity [46:55]

Colette Chase: The other thing is, is spirit.  Everyone has, not everyone, but some people have faces of a God that they have an affinity with.  Some people have Jesus, some of Krishna, some people have Buddha. Some people have the queen of the universe, some people have the great oak tree of the universe.  Some people have the sun, the central sun.  Some people have all kinds of stuff where they put a face of God on there.  Some people have a faceless God. The undefined God.  Fine with me.  And, if you’re going to align with that energy, you’re going to have a communion with that energy.  You’re going to open yourself up, not just mentally, but emotionally and physically.  If you open yourself up physically, this is what I tell people, if you are familiar with The Chakra System, then you open yourself up all the way from the top chakras all the way down to your heart. But, you don’t open yourself up to the lower chakras. Just to the heart.  The lower chakras are just for you. There for you living your life and being able to be anchored in this reality.  So, just because it’s an avatar doesn’t mean they’re allowed to come down past your heart.  That’s kind of my protocol thing.

Erica Eriksdotter:

Colette Chase: So, when you open yourself up from the heart up, keep you in the lower chakras. Emotionally you open yourself up, mentally and spiritually you open yourself up.  Spiritually is dimensionally.  It’s raising your vibration; it’s coming up to the dimension of spirit guides.  It’s connecting to that dimension, it’s connecting with that frequency and it’s opening yourself up to have a one on one direct line to divinity. All these other things that say, you need a go-between between you and divinity, I’m sorry, but they’re misinformed. You have a direct connection to divinity. You and divinity, that’s it.

Erica Eriksdotter: And, for those, sorry, go ahead.

Colette Chase: And, then it’s just a matter of practice. It’s a matter of practice, okay, I’m going to, okay she says I can talk to Jesus.  Okay, so I am now invoking, Jesus, The Christ and I like to put ‘The’ in there somewhere. Because, ‘the’ says the energy. It doesn’t say every actor who’s played Jesus Christ in all these movies.  It doesn’t say Jesus Christ that belongs to all these different religions.  It says Jesus The Christ, The Man who was here. So, the Buddha, the Krishna, the Arc Angel Michael, the Queen of the Universe. The is a very good thing to say, I would like to speak to ‘THE’ energy, please. And, that is like using the, ‘I AM’, that we talked about before. THE kind of tunes in to the ‘I AM’ that is Jesus. And, then you start out doing your scales.  On a scale from 1-10, how much am I really talking to Jesus?

Erica Eriksdotter: And for those people who are completely turned off by the word God, you touched on this earlier, and we’re running a little bit over time here, but I think it’s worth mentioning because, um for example, Scandinavian countries, the word God is you kind of shut that down and you stop listening and paying attention. Um, you mentioned universe.

Colette Chase: What do they do instead?  Universe?

Erica Eriksdotter: Yeah, I think Universe is the Energy of the whole Universe.  I think that’s very much easier.

Colette Chase: I think if you were tuning into THE Universe and you were saying THE Universe, I always like to have Congress with you. THE Universe, I would like to have intercourse with you.  THE Universe, I would like to consort with you. I think that would be pretty amazing.

Erica Eriksdotter: Okay.

Colette Chase: Yeah.  Your connection to your divinity is nobody’s business but your own. And, it’s but, and it’s still your discernment to have a connection like that. It’s still your responsibility and your discernment to figure out how your connection is with that.

Erica Eriksdotter: And, on that note, Colette, [laughing]

Colette Chase: We should stop here, because I could go on about that!

Erica Eriksdotter: Yeah, we are known to talk for hours.  So, alright, this it for this episode. Um, the next episode will feature another guest but Colette will be back in a few episodes.  We also plan to have a full episode dedicated to community wisdom, where Colette answers your questions you can ask Colette ANYTHING! Submit them via the link in the show notes or on my blog at Studioeriksdotter.com for this episode or via #fikapodcast on social media. Um, also, Colette has mentioned a couple of times about that there are classes that you can take if you want to learn a little bit more or actually have a community where you learn discernment for example.  We are, this might be too early to mention, but Colette will be having an event Spring 2016 in the DC area and you can go to Studioeriksdotter.com/events to find out more or any time if you’re listening in the future, go to that page and you’ll see what else is upcoming. I also sponsor other healers as well.

Colette Chase: If you discern that that is your class, I expect you there. [laughing]

Erica Eriksdotter: [laughing]

Colette Chase: Yes, never too soon to throw that one out.  Oh, and hey if you do have a question, I am open to questions.  My suggestion is ask it of yourself at least twelve times before you ask someone else.

Erica Eriksdotter: That’s a good discernment.

Colette Chase: Mmm, hmm.

Erica Eriksdotter: You can find Colette at Facebook.com/divinewingministries and on Twitter at chaseingrace.  Join my email list to stay up to date.  You can access it at the bottom of my webpage.  You can also visit the event page for upcoming events like I said.  And, please do us a favor and leave the fika podcast an iTunes review.  This is a one-woman production, Woot Woot! and it helps me to know that you enjoy and what you enjoy etcetera.

Colette Chase: Yeah, and hey, I’m open to negative feedback as well.

Erica Eriksdotter: Absolutely.

Colette Chase: If there’s something that I can improve or something that you would like to that could be better, let us know.  I definitely want to know that. I’m always looking to improve.

Erica Eriksdotter: Absolutely. And, please subscribe too in iTunes so you don’t miss an episode.  We greatly appreciate that.  Thanks for listening and thank you Colette.

Colette Chase: Thank you, Erica.

Erica Eriksdotter: Alright, bye!

Colette Chase: Bye.